10 Aug 2005


You are a 'typical Egyptian believer.'

I saw it written at from cairo describing two of the fellow bloggers. Interesting statment. What does this statment mean in general? What is a typical believer? What is typical about it being typical? And jotting Egyptian does it add more aroma to the believer's character? Spice it up somehow?

Personally speaking* I use the phrase 'typical Egyptian' whenever I mock some behaviour or style of thinking done by Egyptian of course! DAAA. Whenever in an argument or discussion and someone just say some lame answer or opinion, I would give him the phrase, or just hear it in my head. This phrase and its conotation I developed years back when I was living outside Egypt. For me I will call someone 'typical egyptian' when he/she just drop a dead body in the middle of an energetic room; bring discussion to an end; taking discussions to a 'safe mode'; he himself runing and function in the same 'safe mode' and thus expecting everyone to confrom to his safety measures. This attitude of always want to go with the majority even if this majority is just a stoned bunch.

I see it as a reflection of the identity-less that started to invade the Egyptian mentality, causing them to reject the Egyptian identity in search for another global one, Arab nationalism, Islamic, coptic,...just anything but Egyptian. They want to belong to something, safe, more accepted, more divine, more idealistic and convince themselves that they have a direction and a belief they are struggling for. But since they have no identity or lost it in their search for a new holisitc one, it became a matter of life or dead situation to him. The new acquired identity is now the center of his life; glorifies it; goes to extremes with it, just because it is a way to prove that he exists. Moreover, this new identity is what gives him fake superiority over others. Starts to be a step that separates him from those other bunch who are lost in their lives because they are not following his path, the path of the majority. It simply gives them some satisifaction of being in the right side.

In the process of getting themselves convinced with this new identity, they depend solely on their ears. Hardly would they open a book to read others point of view; take a look at what is really happening; look deeply in this new thoughts they are adopting; accept any criticism; evaluate in a practical way...., however, just passionately immerse themselves in the patriot role and VOOOOOOO hit the gas. Full speed. If you carry a little conversation with them, you can easily spot that they dont really know what they are fighting for. They 'heard' this and that, but did they actually read...Not really. Did they evaluate things. Maybe but again through hearing someone talking about his certain evaluation, liked it, and thus hop, adopted it. Of course, this guy has to be conforming to the original idea of course.

With this in mind, I dont need to jott in any more description to describe a typical Egyptian. Believer. Non believer. Westernized. Liberal. Conservative. Marxist. Nasserist. Sadatist. Mubarakist. Aucian. Whatever! They are typical. You expect to hear a boring discussion. Full of big words, idealistic ones. Beeds like sound, tick, tick, tick, tick, falling one after the other. Bunch of heads going in a symphony like manner: YEESSS. NOOOOO. As if everything in this world is captured between Yes and No. As if they figured everything out. Know things and only read and hear to conform what they have.

There is no room for questions. It is always forbidden to ask. To form an opinion. To float. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Conform and run in 'safe mode' and thus, 'limited or no connection', 'Unable to grab an IP.'

This has nothing to do with Mohamed's intention when he wrote the phrase, and from anyone associated with the phrase. I am not by any means having anyone in mind.


Blogger zoss said...

good questions

8/10/2005 09:21:00 pm  
Blogger roora said...

yes i was questioning about that too , i would like to know

8/11/2005 01:36:00 am  
Blogger Shirazi said...

I would also like to know more. Nice thread if it grows.

8/11/2005 07:33:00 am  
Blogger Eman M said...

Me too asked Mohamed in that blog, but yet no reply, huh, we need explanation.

8/11/2005 11:11:00 am  
Blogger Alina said...

I am really curious about that as well!

8/11/2005 02:40:00 pm  
Blogger Dalulla said...

Why, in your definition does Typical have to be associated only to the Egyptians, especially when it comes to mocking?

8/12/2005 04:36:00 am  
Blogger doshar said...

when wanting to belong to somethng bigger than just egyptian.. like if you would like to think of yourself as muslim first, egyptian second, i basically think it comes from how you run your life and your priorities, if they are your religion, then i guess it would be normal to label yourself as muslim first, and it doesn't usually come from wanting to be different or superior as you say, just somethng that they believe in more.

and typical is not just an egyptian thing, labels are quite a human thing, ex. rednecks in the states, or liberals etc. stereo typing is just too easy and way too judgemental in my opinion. you see one idea or statement and judge the person accordingly.

just an example, when mohamed called dalulla and roora typical egyptian believers, i know for a fact that they are VERY different. and even their faith, came by each of them quite differently.

8/12/2005 05:23:00 am  
Blogger Mohamed said...

Typical French .........!

8/12/2005 09:27:00 am  
Blogger roora said...

so what is typical french mohamed ?

haal , you say that from your point of view typical egyptian believers those "They are typical. You expect to hear a boring discussion. Full of big words, idealistic ones"

too bad that you say that these are how to describe typical egyptian believer (i am not talking or refering to mohamed 's comment at all or to me or dallula)
i am talking about how you descibe the typical egyptian beliverword statement.

but yeah maybe in your case you will find almost everyone boring when it comes to religous debates , because simply (for me ) following my doctrine , there are things in quran that are clear cut that clearly states what is right and what is wrong. and there are ohers that could be interpreted differently , where some people negotiate about , and some scientists maade several opinions about.

8/12/2005 02:11:00 pm  
Blogger haal said...

I was talking about 'typical Egyptian' not 'typical egyptian believer'. And, yeah, you see Islamic doctrine is one of the big words for me. You talk about it like it is something simple you got it in your little pocket...! this is my problem. Talking about things as if we got it all, and adding 'simply' just makes me laugh.

I just happen to be pro-reading, investigating, and understanding not just repeating words that sound convincing and simplifying things. Faith is there inside us, the outside image of it is what i question it because it leads to disasters one of them is shallowness!

8/13/2005 09:12:00 am  
Blogger roora said...

haal you feel that islamic doctrine is a big word, so what statement could be used instead or what are the lighter words we should use from your point of view, and why on the first basis do i have to search on a simpler word , i am not offeding anyone or saying that i know it all because i said this word.

Because i said "islamic doctine" , it seems that i had it all and in my pocket , really ? i didnt know about that Haal

the word simply , you dont like it and it make you laugh, good that it makes you laugh
but you seem to contradict your self , you seem to be in some posts talking about the cores and how people are concentrating in minor issues instead, and you are doing the same by picking words that are nor offesnive or hurtful or anything like simple and doctrine and you stick to them and you say oh see , the interpretatiion of these words and you go on in asking and commenting although it is obvious for the normal reader

the word " simple " is simplilifying our faith ? why do you want to make theories about nomal words used and make interpretation , and make judgements on people

what do you want us to say instead , " Actually , as a matter of fact " .

8/13/2005 12:06:00 pm  
Blogger haal said...

Simply Interesting!!

8/13/2005 12:09:00 pm  

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